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On today's 209th episode of The Thriller Zone, the conversation unfolds with host David Temple welcoming back Adam Hamdy, an acclaimed author whose latest work, 'Deadbeat', is the focal point of their engaging dialogue.
As they reminisce about their previous interactions, Temple expresses his admiration for Hamdy's unique storytelling abilities and narrates how much he has grown as a writer since their initial meeting.
The episode dives deep into the essence of 'Deadbeat', which is described as a gripping moral exploration of a deeply flawed protagonist, Peyton Collard. Temple praises the book for its ability to make readers root for a character bereft of conventional redeeming qualities, challenging the audience's perceptions of morality and empathy.
The discussion then transitions into the creative process behind Hamdy's writing, where he shares insights into how personal experiences and observations shape his characters and narratives.
The duo discuss the landscape of publishing today, the challenges authors face in promoting their work, and how the changing dynamics of media consumption impact storytelling.
Temple's enthusiastic endorsements and Hamdy's reflections on his writing journey culminate in a rich dialogue that is both informative and inspiring for aspiring writers and avid readers alike.
Keywords: The Thriller Zone podcast, host David Temple, Adam Hamdy interview, thriller books, writing advice, publishing industry trends, storytelling techniques, character development, psychological archetypes, true crime fiction, author interviews, book recommendations, creative writing tips, podcasting insights, reading challenges, literary analysis, contemporary literature, personal development through writing, emotional storytelling, engaging conversations.
Takeaways:
David Temple emphasizes the importance of authentic conversations in a world dominated by distractions.
Adam Hamdy discusses the challenges of promoting books in today's fast-paced publishing environment.
The podcast highlights how personal experiences can shape a writer's storytelling approach and character development.
Listeners are encouraged to reflect on their time management and what truly matters to them.
The conversation reveals insights into the evolving landscape of the publishing industry and the role of innovation.
Both hosts agree that understanding psychological archetypes can enhance character depth in writing.
Links referenced in this episode: AdamHamdy.com
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00:00 - None
00:15 - None
00:20 - The Countdown to the New Year
00:55 - Introducing Adam Hamdi: A Conversation on Thrillers
10:50 - The Morality of Characters
19:24 - The Ripple Effect of Actions
24:31 - Taking a Break for Sponsorship and Transitioning Topics
26:21 - None
38:05 - Reflections on Life and Writing
41:51 - Life in Two Columns: The Journey Ahead
52:38 - The Stories That Inspire Us
01:00:21 - The Impact of Advertising on Our Lives
01:08:23 - The Changing Landscape of Entertainment and Publishing
01:19:34 - The Art of Conversation
01:29:38 - Understanding Psychoanalytical Theory in Writing
01:33:44 - Introducing Ocean Star and Future Plans
David Temple
Hello and welcome to the Thriller Zone.
David Temple
I'm your host, David Temple.
David Temple
It is so hard to believe we are just weeks away from the end of the year, the end of 2024.
David Temple
And guess what?
David Temple
We only have two shows left for the year.
David Temple
The very final one, the Dave and Tammy year end extravaganza.
David Temple
You know it, you love it, you've seen it in the past.
David Temple
It's coming back around for another go that's going to wrap up the week of Christmas.
David Temple
But before that, one of my favorite guest guys, a talented writer, and this is promising, I think to be one of the best shows of the year.
David Temple
Mr.
David Temple
Adam Hemd, episode 209 on the thriller Zone.
David Temple
Oh, my goodness.
David Temple
Folks, let me just tell you something.
David Temple
Adam and I sat down, really just kicked back, rolled up our sleeves, shot the breeze.
David Temple
And it's probably one of the most off the beaten path, open, honest, no holds barred conversation I've had in a while.
David Temple
We talked about his books, of course.
David Temple
Deadbeat.
David Temple
We talked about my nonfiction book I'm working on, which I'll share in the show.
David Temple
We did not share.
David Temple
We kind of hinted at something that's coming in the new year.
David Temple
I'll tell you more about that shortly.
David Temple
But it's just, it's.
David Temple
I can't say enough about it.
David Temple
It's a great show.
David Temple
Let me shut up and get right to it.
David Temple
Ladies and gentlemen, my friend and yours, the guy you should be reading, Mr.
David Temple
Adam Hamdi.
David Temple
He's right here on the Thriller side.
David Temple
Welco.
David Temple
Welcome back to the Thriller Zone, Adam Handy.
Adam Hamdi
Thank you very much.
Adam Hamdi
David Temple.
Adam Hamdi
It's really lovely to be here again.
David Temple
This is my happy dance that you're back with me.
David Temple
You like that?
Adam Hamdi
I.
Adam Hamdi
I could do that too.
David Temple
Isn't that nice?
David Temple
Look, we're celebrating.
Adam Hamdi
We could just do this.
Adam Hamdi
Edit the whole like just put it on a loop.
Adam Hamdi
It can be a gift.
David Temple
Oh my God.
David Temple
Well, the book we're talking about today, I'm.
David Temple
Dude, I'm going to see.
David Temple
I.
David Temple
I try not to use this phrase, your best work yet, but I might.
David Temple
The book, ladies and gentlemen, is deadbeat.
David Temple
I don't know who liked the book more.
David Temple
My new puppy, Sunny.
David Temple
Six month old yellow lab, who is gorgeous or me.
David Temple
It's a toss up because she really, she was like, she came in and was like, give me that book.
Adam Hamdi
That's exactly how it should look.
Adam Hamdi
That.
Adam Hamdi
That is the Peyton Collard of books.
David Temple
Yeah, Peyton.
David Temple
Oh boy.
David Temple
All right, let's.
David Temple
Let's get into it.
David Temple
I.
David Temple
Last time I want to do a little recollection here, Adam, because.
Adam Hamdi
Okay, let's go into the mists of time.
Adam Hamdi
Yeah.
David Temple
Into the mid.
David Temple
Yes.
David Temple
All right.
David Temple
How long's it been?
David Temple
Let me see.
David Temple
First appearance.
David Temple
July 16, 2021.
David Temple
We debuted June 17, 2021.
David Temple
So you were.
David Temple
You're right there at the beginning.
David Temple
I remember that day specifically.
David Temple
You were so cool, so kind.
David Temple
I was brand new.
David Temple
I was all nervous, and.
David Temple
And you were just like.
David Temple
You couldn't have been more gracious if you tried.
David Temple
And you haven't changed a day a little bit.
David Temple
Okay.
David Temple
A tiny bit.
David Temple
Yeah.
David Temple
I'm not gonna.
David Temple
You.
David Temple
All right.
David Temple
That was black 13.
Adam Hamdi
Yep.
David Temple
And then you came back around September of the following year.
David Temple
22nd, to be exact.
David Temple
And that was the Other side of Night.
David Temple
I'm going to flash these books off on the screen.
David Temple
The Other side of Night was one of the most unusual, surreal books I remember reading that year.
David Temple
And it is one of those books that you.
David Temple
I can still remember scenes in my head.
David Temple
I can't say that about mini books.
David Temple
And I'm not blowing smoke up your skirt, because trust me, I've read.
David Temple
How many books now?
David Temple
Well, 200.
David Temple
More than 200.
David Temple
Because I read some that I went.
David Temple
Not gonna finish that.
David Temple
But, yeah, Other side of Night.
David Temple
Dude, that was Ballin.
David Temple
Yeah.
David Temple
Was there anything perhaps going on?
Adam Hamdi
No, no, it's just.
Adam Hamdi
It's just how my mind works sometimes.
Adam Hamdi
Yeah.
Adam Hamdi
I just wanted to do something that challenged people's perceptions of life and the universe and.
Adam Hamdi
Yeah.
Adam Hamdi
I don't know.
Adam Hamdi
It just.
David Temple
That's.
David Temple
That's why I liked it.
David Temple
You challenged my vision, my perception of the universe, and I love that stuff because I think.
David Temple
I don't want to be too melodramatic, although I'm pretty good at it.
David Temple
I think there is more reality to that book than the surrealism that you implied.
Adam Hamdi
Yeah.
Adam Hamdi
No, I can understand that.
David Temple
Would you agree with that?
Adam Hamdi
Yeah, I would.
Adam Hamdi
I could understand that.
Adam Hamdi
Yeah.
Adam Hamdi
There is more reality to it.
Adam Hamdi
There's a lot of science that went into it, but it's also that it was.
Adam Hamdi
It was a piece of poetry as well.
Adam Hamdi
So.
Adam Hamdi
Yeah, I enjoyed that book.
Adam Hamdi
I enjoyed writing that book a lot.
Adam Hamdi
And I do think about it as well, quite a bit.
David Temple
Yeah.
David Temple
Well, I can see by the enthusiasm on your face that you did enjoy it.
David Temple
See, I can screw with you, and I love it.
David Temple
You let me, folks, if you're.
David Temple
If you're tuning into this show for the first time, or maybe this is your second or third episode and you don't know who Adam Hamdi is, first of all, Shame on you.
David Temple
Secondly, this cat's got 12 thrillers under his belt.
David Temple
We got four with the king Daddy, James Patterson.
David Temple
The reason I call him King Daddy is I grew up.
David Temple
James Patterson is one of the reasons I knew I wanted to be a writer.
David Temple
There's like three guys that made me go, I want to be like that.
David Temple
James.
David Temple
Pat in disorder.
David Temple
James Patterson.
David Temple
No.
David Temple
Yeah.
David Temple
Michael Crichton, Don Winslow.
David Temple
Those three guys for three specific, different reasons.
David Temple
But it's your show, so I'm going to talk more about you.
David Temple
So you got James Patterson.
David Temple
Five of those.
David Temple
You've got four in the Pendulum series.
David Temple
Fantastic Three in Scott Pierce series.
David Temple
The standalone Unicell Night, which we mentioned.
David Temple
And folks, you got to read that one, by the way, after you finish the new and Dead Beat.
David Temple
I actually.
David Temple
I have not done this very often, but I wrote you a blurb.
David Temple
I don't think anyone has ever asked me to write a blurb.
Adam Hamdi
Oh, I would like that blurb very much, please.
David Temple
Here it comes.
Adam Hamdi
What does it say?
David Temple
I'm getting ahead of myself, but here it comes.
David Temple
And I'm going to flash this up on the screen.
David Temple
A don't look away morality tale that shines a neon glow on a man's sordid life.
David Temple
While certainly bereft of conscience.
David Temple
Damned if he didn't have me rooting for his next evil deed.
David Temple
This is Adam's best work to date.
David Temple
David Temple, host of the Thriller Zone.
Adam Hamdi
Oh, I'm gonna make sure we use that.
Adam Hamdi
No, thank you very much, David.
Adam Hamdi
Thank you very much.
Adam Hamdi
Yeah, he's a complicated character.
David Temple
It took me 20 minutes to write that thing because I kept wanting to.
David Temple
I didn't want to get too superfluous or melodramatic, but each word means something to me.
David Temple
Don't look away.
David Temple
Because I couldn't put this damn book down.
David Temple
And I bet you I can count on one hand in less than two hands or the number of books that I could not literally, literally put down.
David Temple
And this is one of them.
David Temple
I took this, asked my wife.
David Temple
I think she may have.
David Temple
She's on a conference call or I'd get her in here.
David Temple
She can't.
David Temple
We were working out of the gym downstairs in our resort, and she was snapping a photograph of me because I'm on the treadmill.
David Temple
I couldn't put it down, dude, I'm not.
David Temple
I You not cool.
Adam Hamdi
This music to my ears.
Adam Hamdi
I feel like dancing again.
David Temple
Yeah, well, Peyton Collard.
David Temple
Am I saying his name right?
David Temple
Collard.
Adam Hamdi
That's right.
Adam Hamdi
Yeah.
David Temple
Yeah, Like Collard drinks a little French.
Adam Hamdi
You can call him color.
David Temple
You swallow the D.
David Temple
Yeah.
David Temple
He is one of the most unique people I've read in a long time.
David Temple
Because, you know, he is.
David Temple
He's a sad sack, to put it mildly.
David Temple
But, man, does he have chutzpah.
David Temple
And do not ask me how to spell that, but he's got chutzpah.
David Temple
When.
David Temple
When you first start using.
Adam Hamdi
It's like.
Adam Hamdi
I think.
David Temple
Yeah, it's like a choluli or something, I think.
Adam Hamdi
So.
David Temple
I'm just silly when I'm.
David Temple
And I'm gonna be.
David Temple
Can I be perfectly honest with you here?
Adam Hamdi
Yeah.
David Temple
Okay.
Adam Hamdi
Please do.
David Temple
So I'm reading it and I'm thinking to myself at one point, I'm like, what the hell is Adam drinking?
David Temple
Because it was kind of.
David Temple
It was.
David Temple
It was dark and twisted.
David Temple
And I'm like, does Adam have a problem?
David Temple
You know, is.
David Temple
Is this reflective of his life?
David Temple
And then it became, is he watching too many dramas?
David Temple
And then it was like.
David Temple
And you're watching this Peyton guy and you're like, oh, my God, he can't be doing.
David Temple
He's not going to do that.
David Temple
Oh, he's.
David Temple
Well, you certainly not going to do that.
David Temple
And then he does exactly what you think he won't do, and he keeps.
David Temple
It's like that when you go to trip.
David Temple
You're walking down the sidewalk and you trip and you try to look cool and get out of it, but you only do worse, and then you actually just fall down.
David Temple
It's kind of like that.
Adam Hamdi
Yep.
David Temple
But, man, the way that.
David Temple
But damned, like I said, damned if you didn't have me going, come on, dude, you can do this.
David Temple
And I'm thinking to myself at the end, I'm like, what did you just say?
David Temple
Come on.
David Temple
Damn, dude, you can do this.
David Temple
You can kill that person.
David Temple
They need to go.
Adam Hamdi
Yeah, yeah.
Adam Hamdi
It's a difficult.
Adam Hamdi
I mean, I set out with exactly that intention.
Adam Hamdi
I wanted to write a book where people are rooting for the bad guy.
Adam Hamdi
And, you know, when you meet him, there's morally very little at all that's good about him.
David Temple
You can take the word very out.
David Temple
You can just take that out.
Adam Hamdi
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Adam Hamdi
I mean, he.
Adam Hamdi
Yeah, I suppose he has a car.
David Temple
Pos.
Adam Hamdi
Yeah, to start with.
David Temple
Yeah.
Adam Hamdi
So, yeah, I wanted to do somebody.
Adam Hamdi
You know, I set myself these little challenges.
Adam Hamdi
The Other side of the night was a challenge, and this was another challenge.
Adam Hamdi
I wanted somebody who had very, very little, if not no redeeming qualities about him.
Adam Hamdi
And yet readers root for him.
Adam Hamdi
And the book itself is kind of a morality test.
Adam Hamdi
So it's a morality tale, but it's also a morality test.
Adam Hamdi
And at the end of the book, I think I said, you know, you'll see in Peyton what you want to see.
Adam Hamdi
It's.
Adam Hamdi
It's.
Adam Hamdi
It's a reflection more of us than it is of.
David Temple
Of this character that's in the acknowledgments.
David Temple
And I don't think I've ever read an acknowledgement that had the author speaking to me.
David Temple
You know, it's always, hey, thanks for.
David Temple
Bob.
David Temple
Bob for doing.
David Temple
Being such a good editor.
David Temple
Thanks, Sally, for being such a great publicist.
David Temple
But here you're going, hey, reader.
David Temple
That's right, you.
David Temple
What do you think about Peyton?
David Temple
Huh?
David Temple
Huh?
David Temple
Kind of crazy, right?
David Temple
Yeah.
David Temple
So unique, dude.
David Temple
So fresh.
David Temple
God, so fresh and unique.
Adam Hamdi
Thank you.
Adam Hamdi
Well, and also, to begin with, the book is presented as true crime.
Adam Hamdi
It's presented as his memoir.
David Temple
Right?
Adam Hamdi
So I think this is somebody's inner thoughts.
David Temple
That's what I think I love best.
David Temple
Because as you get going, you're like, oh, I'm reading a journal of true crime.
David Temple
And you're caught up in it instantly, and you're not even thinking about.
David Temple
No, you're right in it.
David Temple
And I'm not going to say I don't know where it was, but about.
David Temple
But about two thirds of the way in, I go, oh, I think I know who it is.
David Temple
And I had a.
David Temple
Had a pretty good idea.
David Temple
And then.
David Temple
Well, there.
David Temple
First of all, there's two things.
David Temple
One is when that.
David Temple
What's it called?
David Temple
Pivot twist.
David Temple
When that big twist comes, that twist is so, so darn delicious that I had to stop and just, you know, wipe my mouth.
David Temple
It was so tasty.
David Temple
And that is not easy to do.
David Temple
I think that's.
David Temple
I think that's one of the things I was most impressed with, is the deftness with which you did that.
Adam Hamdi
Thank you.
Adam Hamdi
It wasn't really me.
Adam Hamdi
I mean, you know, somewhere in my basement, I have got this real Peyton Collard locked up.
Adam Hamdi
He wrote the book for me.
Adam Hamdi
And the ultimate twist is that I've published it under my name while he's bound and gagged somewhere being punished for his transgressions against society.
David Temple
Yeah, folks, the ending is so fraught with.
David Temple
What's the best word.
David Temple
I really am wanting to be more specific with my word choices on this show than maybe any other one for reasons unbeknownst to many.
David Temple
Deft and.
David Temple
Oh, there was kind of a pulling apart of this story because you.
David Temple
You know, he's a bad dude.
David Temple
You want him to get his dude.
David Temple
Then all of a sudden, the story feeds you.
David Temple
Well, he has to do it because of this.
David Temple
And you're like, well, because you kept asking the reader.
David Temple
Well, I mean, if you asked me this and you would, Adam, and I want you to talk to me like you would if, you know, you were asking me the questions in an interrogation room.
David Temple
Because the example I use is my wife, Tammy.
David Temple
You get in between me and Tammy, and I will do anything on earth to protect her.
David Temple
Period.
David Temple
End of story.
Adam Hamdi
Yep.
Adam Hamdi
Yep.
Adam Hamdi
And I think it's one of the things that people kind of gloss over in life, that if you make someone desperate enough, if you create the right set of incentives or if you disincentivize them enough and they get desperate, they'll do anything for their family, for their loved ones, for themselves.
Adam Hamdi
And I've been around a lot of criminals growing up through work, through research, and there are some who are career criminals.
Adam Hamdi
They just do it.
Adam Hamdi
It's like a job.
Adam Hamdi
There are others who turn to it because they're desperate.
Adam Hamdi
They have no other means of supporting themselves.
Adam Hamdi
And through.
Adam Hamdi
I recently produced this documentary here in Mauritius, where I live, about opportunities for young people.
Adam Hamdi
And we met some colorful characters who I won't go into too much detail about, but because they've transgressed some, crossed some lines, and I don't want to say anything that might identify them, but they're desperate people who have engaged in not violent criminality, but dangerous criminality in order to support their families.
David Temple
Yeah, we'd all do it, dude.
David Temple
We'd all do it.
Adam Hamdi
Well, I don't.
Adam Hamdi
I mean, I write.
Adam Hamdi
Some people say my books are a crime, but, you know, I don't agree with them.
David Temple
No, but, I mean, if somebody got in between you and your family.
Adam Hamdi
Yeah.
Adam Hamdi
Oh, my God.
Adam Hamdi
Yeah.
David Temple
I don't.
David Temple
I know you pretty well.
David Temple
I don't know you super well, but I know you pretty well.
David Temple
I think I have a very, very good idea of who you are at your core.
David Temple
And, boy, you're a guy.
David Temple
I wouldn't want to get in between, you know?
Adam Hamdi
No, I mean, there.
Adam Hamdi
There are.
Adam Hamdi
I think the same is true for most people.
Adam Hamdi
You find what is valuable to a person, what they.
Adam Hamdi
What matters most to them.
Adam Hamdi
They'll make them desperate.
Adam Hamdi
They will do anything.
Adam Hamdi
So one of the things that Peyton does in his book is implicate all of us to a certain extent in every crime.
Adam Hamdi
You know, he kind of looks at the degrees of responsibility we have when we look away from things, when we decide to do certain things and don't think about the consequences.
Adam Hamdi
How much are we implicated?
David Temple
Yeah, I think it would be interesting if you're.
David Temple
This is going to be a really obscure example, but bear with me a second.
David Temple
When I very.
David Temple
When I saw the very first movie, the very first Saw movie, when I saw the first Saw where those people are asked to you, you get a choice between A or B.
David Temple
And I was like, that is freaking twisted.
David Temple
But if you put me in that place, that's what I choose, right?
David Temple
And then of course, they went on to make 1, 2, 3.
David Temple
It's like 12 now.
David Temple
Saw 12.
David Temple
I mean, it's all been seen, hasn't it?
David Temple
Sorry, that was too easy.
David Temple
Or it's been sawn.
Adam Hamdi
Sawn.
Adam Hamdi
Yeah.
David Temple
My.
David Temple
You think we're both up late.
David Temple
The thing being is that the conflict of being put in a place.
David Temple
Now there is something I have.
David Temple
I wrote a note in here and I asked myself, I said, oh, geez, don't ask.
David Temple
Don't ask Adam, that dude, don't ask him.
David Temple
It's cliche written, it's boring.
David Temple
He's heard it a hundred times.
David Temple
I don't want to ask, but go ahead.
David Temple
I'll be embarrassed.
David Temple
Where did this idea come from?
David Temple
I mean, what, what, what was the.
David Temple
A conflicting idea.
David Temple
What was the trigger?
David Temple
Because we all have these little like, oh, what if.
David Temple
Do you remember?
David Temple
Without giving it away?
Adam Hamdi
Yeah, no.
Adam Hamdi
I think it came during the pandemic when we were all very conscious of the fact that you can, you can engage in behaviors that have impacts on other people's lives.
Adam Hamdi
Lives, whether it's through stopping economic activity, through lockdowns, and having an impact on people's businesses and their well being that way, or passing on a communicable disease and having an impact on their lives that way.
Adam Hamdi
And I kind of got thinking about how every action that we take in the world is like a pebble dropping in a pond.
Adam Hamdi
And it just has a ripple effect.
Adam Hamdi
A ripple effect.
Adam Hamdi
And I got fascinated by the idea of wrongs coming back to haunt people.
Adam Hamdi
And this idea of how far would you go?
Adam Hamdi
How far would you go to protect people?
Adam Hamdi
How far?
Adam Hamdi
Because obviously we've all lived through this time where governments and people took quite extreme precautions to try and protect each other.
Adam Hamdi
And I was sort of fascinated by the idea of how far would you go?
Adam Hamdi
How far would you compromise yourself in order to protect or benefit the people that you love?
Adam Hamdi
And that's where it, it stemmed from.
Adam Hamdi
And then I wanted to set myself a test because a lot of crime fiction is very good.
Adam Hamdi
Good guy, bad guy.
Adam Hamdi
Good girl, bad girl.
Adam Hamdi
You know, it's, it's very clear who to root for.
Adam Hamdi
And although you might have flawed characters, people who are crossing lines, your hero might be imperfect, but they're still a hero.
Adam Hamdi
And I wanted to try and present somebody who immediately wraps you up in a conundrum.
Adam Hamdi
Why am I rooting for this guy?
Adam Hamdi
He's horrible.
Adam Hamdi
He's horrible.
Adam Hamdi
And I think halfway through the book or maybe a third of the way through, he challenges the reader and says, if you've stuck with me so far, you probably quite like me.
Adam Hamdi
And so that was brilliant.
David Temple
Brilliant.
Adam Hamdi
So, and I just thought if, if somebody's going to write a memoir like this, they're going to talk to the, this guy's going to talk to the reader.
Adam Hamdi
He, he's, he's implicating the reader in his crimes.
Adam Hamdi
You're, you're, you're coming along the journey because.
Adam Hamdi
And, and I was also fascinated by the fast, by the fascination.
Adam Hamdi
Fascinated by the fascination that is fascinating with, with true crime.
Adam Hamdi
It's so popular.
David Temple
It is the single most popular podcast genre in the world right now.
David Temple
I think pretty much like, number one.
David Temple
I'm not going to name the podcast because it's just going to drive my audience over there and shatter me to tears.
David Temple
But yeah, if she and her entourage didn't hit that one out of the ballpark.
David Temple
And even though it's mired in some controversy, but yeah, I don't know what it is.
David Temple
We're just so fascinated, fascinating, fascinated with true crime.
David Temple
I mean, it's just, it's kind of sick.
Adam Hamdi
Well, I think it's because it's, I think we're, as human beings, we're fascinated by everything that's extremely so sports, extreme athletes who are performing really well, whether it's the Olympics, the World Cup, super bowl, extreme climbing.
Adam Hamdi
Crime is just another extreme.
Adam Hamdi
It's, it's a social extremity.
Adam Hamdi
People are pushing the boundaries and there are obviously tragic costs associated with that, which I find people tend to gloss over.
Adam Hamdi
People.
Adam Hamdi
There is a controversy around true crime where I actually, some friends of ours were approached because their family was involved in a very, very infamous crime in the UK and they were approached by a production company who said they wanted to make an one hour documentary about it.
Adam Hamdi
And you just can't help but feel their pain of reliving this horrible experience and the sensationalism that's attached to it.
Adam Hamdi
There is a price attached to true crime.
Adam Hamdi
And one of the things that I wanted to do in Deadbeat was Peyton's Constantly challenging the reader because he's asking what people would do.
Adam Hamdi
Would they do the same thing as him?
Adam Hamdi
But also he's constantly reminded of his victims, constantly remembering how they died and what their legacy is throughout the book.
Adam Hamdi
So, you know, in that way, I think you get a sense of the carried cost of crime.
David Temple
Yeah.
David Temple
That very first one where you so expertly led me to.
David Temple
I'm not going to give it away.
David Temple
Expertly led me to believe.
David Temple
Oh, well, yeah, I would.
David Temple
I'd kill that guy, too.
David Temple
Absolutely.
David Temple
I wouldn't even think twice about it, only to find out later.
David Temple
Okay, maybe that wasn't quite what I thought it was.
David Temple
Maybe, yeah.
David Temple
We're gonna take a short break to say hi to our sponsor for December, and when we come back, we're gonna find out what would Adam do if placed in a scenario like this.
David Temple
Stay with us.
David Temple
Hey, welcome back.
David Temple
It's the Thriller Zone.
David Temple
Adam Hanby here with David Temple.
David Temple
The book is deadbeat, and folks, if you're just tuning in, stop what you're doing, go to Amazon or Barnes and Noble, wherever the hell else you can pre order it and buy two.
David Temple
Buy two.
David Temple
One for you and one for a friend.
David Temple
That's how much I like it.
David Temple
I got nothing for saying that.
Adam Hamdi
I mean, that's a great, great endorsement.
David Temple
Oh, there's going to be somebody who's going to pick this, Adam, I guarantee you somebody's going to pick it up and start reading and go, temple, I don't know about you.
David Temple
That's not my cup of tea.
David Temple
Well, maybe it isn't your cup of tea.
David Temple
It was my cup of tea.
David Temple
I gulped it down.
David Temple
I asked for seconds.
Adam Hamdi
Yeah, I mean, you can't please everyone all of the time.
Adam Hamdi
I think it's one of the things that in the old days, you weren't quite so exposed to people who didn't like your work.
Adam Hamdi
So if you were an author or a filmmaker, you wouldn't really hear about it unless you read the notices in the newspapers.
Adam Hamdi
But now we're much more exposed to what people think.
Adam Hamdi
I don't tend to read reviews just because I don't think you're always.
Adam Hamdi
As humans, we're always going to focus on the negatives rather than the positives.
Adam Hamdi
You might get a hundred.
Adam Hamdi
In fact, actually, I was really pleased to hear.
Adam Hamdi
I made this documentary recently, and it was about young people and the opportunities and challenges they face in Mauritius.
Adam Hamdi
And we had a young sege star, which is kind of rap, and Sega, which is the local music style, and reggae fusion.
Adam Hamdi
And he was 22.
Adam Hamdi
And he said exactly the same thing.
Adam Hamdi
He can't help if he gets 100 positive responses.
Adam Hamdi
He'll focus on the one negative response.
Adam Hamdi
So to the person who says, it wasn't my cup of tea, go out and buy some coffee instead, no problem.
Adam Hamdi
But so far, so far I think people are so fascinated by Peyton.
Adam Hamdi
It's had a really, the early readers, the Goodreads scored, you know, all that sort of thing is really positive.
Adam Hamdi
So I think people are enjoying being challenged by Peyton and his little story.
David Temple
Yeah, challenge is a good word.
David Temple
I'm going to come back to that.
David Temple
Plus, don't let me forget, I'm going to ask you that question we were talking about before to break.
David Temple
But I want to drop this in because it's something that I recently saw and I think you'd like it.
David Temple
And I want to also cover your documentary because that fascinates me because, you know, I'm a closet filmmaker.
David Temple
I just recently, Tammy and I just recently watched a documentary called Will and Harper.
David Temple
It's a documentary about Will Ferrell and one of the writers that was on Saturday Night Live back when Will started and has, is now transgender.
David Temple
And they take a road trip across.
David Temple
They start in New York and end up in Santa Monica.
David Temple
And it's a thought provoking films I've seen in a long time.
David Temple
Really, really good.
David Temple
Here's my point so that you don't think I'm just coming out of nowhere is halfway through, they're in Texas and they landed this saloon and Will Ferrell, the only Will Ferrell moment in the movie.
David Temple
So if you're, look, if you're, if you're looking for Will Ferrell the comedian, you're going to be in for a pleasant surprise.
David Temple
But in one of the Will Ferrell moments, he proceeds to try to devour a 72 ounce steak.
David Temple
And he does.
David Temple
He introduces his transgender friend in Texas.
David Temple
And the next day they're checking social media and the social media bombardment, which is now to your point that comes across in this very sensitive and emotionally driven story is cruel and hateful, nasty and it brought tears to my eyes.
David Temple
I'm like, how can we be that effed up in today's society?
David Temple
How can you be so small minded to do shit like that?
David Temple
It just blew my mind.
David Temple
But I bring that up, that point because it is true.
David Temple
Back in the day, you know, you might read, you know, a Siskel and Ebert review or watch it on TV about a film.
David Temple
But now, 13 seconds, no.
David Temple
As you're leaving the theater, people are taking out their phones.
David Temple
That was a piece of shit.
David Temple
I can't believe.
David Temple
Right.
David Temple
And you're.
David Temple
You're throwing swords and knives at people on a passion project they work years to do.
David Temple
So I.
David Temple
I got no patience for them.
Adam Hamdi
The other.
Adam Hamdi
The other thing that interests me about all of this is, have you ever watched a movie or a TV show and thought, wow, that was rubbish, and then watched it again a couple of years later and said, oh, actually, that was pretty good.
Adam Hamdi
Or vice versa.
Adam Hamdi
You watch something that you think, oh, that's pretty good, and then a few years later, you sort of think, what on earth was I thinking?
David Temple
Mm.
Adam Hamdi
Yeah.
Adam Hamdi
So much of what we feel about something is wrapped up in how we feel at that time.
Adam Hamdi
So you go into a movie theater, you've had a row with your wife or your husband or partner, your.
Adam Hamdi
You've had a hard day at work, your boss has been yelling at you, whatever.
Adam Hamdi
You're very unlikely to like that movie.
Adam Hamdi
But if you go in and you've had a lovely day, the chances are better.
Adam Hamdi
So we're carrying so much of our response to art around with us, and the same is true of books, music.
Adam Hamdi
So I just think.
Adam Hamdi
And I also don't understand why everyone's so head up all the time.
Adam Hamdi
We're up at 11 all the time as a society.
Adam Hamdi
Everything's so quick, so fast, so angry, so instant to judge.
Adam Hamdi
So it's just.
Adam Hamdi
There's no chill anymore.
Adam Hamdi
Where's all the chill gone?
David Temple
I was thinking about this.
David Temple
I don't know why I was thinking about this.
David Temple
Maybe back to our very first conversation when.
David Temple
When we were talking about why Macius and I thought how I was thinking about you and living on this island, and I looked it up on the map.
David Temple
I mean, it's a dot in the middle of nowhere, literally.
David Temple
And I'm like, why?
David Temple
Why does.
David Temple
Why did he choose that after?
David Temple
He seems like a city guy to me, but, you know, whatever.
David Temple
And then I'm like, because it's quiet.
David Temple
And then I started looking at the photographs, like, you shared with us, and it's freaking beautiful.
David Temple
And it's paradise.
David Temple
And it's.
David Temple
And it's chill.
David Temple
One of the reasons we like living in San Diego, it's kind of.
David Temple
We lived in LA for a while.
David Temple
I did three tours of duty there.
David Temple
I can't take it anymore, so I want to chill.
David Temple
Life's short.
David Temple
It's banging on us all the time.
David Temple
Bam, bam, bam.
David Temple
Like, shut up.
David Temple
So to your point.
David Temple
Yeah.
David Temple
Why.
David Temple
Why does everything have to be turned up a notch to 11 like you said, so good.
Adam Hamdi
Yeah.
Adam Hamdi
And.
Adam Hamdi
And.
Adam Hamdi
And we don't have to be angry all the time.
Adam Hamdi
We can be something else.
Adam Hamdi
We can just be chill.
David Temple
Yeah.
Adam Hamdi
Are you thinking of moving then?
Adam Hamdi
What?
Adam Hamdi
What are you.
Adam Hamdi
Are you thinking of getting out of San Diego?
Adam Hamdi
Has the chill of San Diego become too much?
Adam Hamdi
Are you going to go even chiller?
David Temple
Is there room in Mauritius?
David Temple
I think so.
David Temple
No.
David Temple
No, I don't think Cammie and I love it.
David Temple
We moved into this new place that is a resort here, and we're a mile from the beach, and we're like, it's pretty freaking magnificent.
David Temple
So I don't see us moving.
Adam Hamdi
When you say it's a resort, what.
Adam Hamdi
How do you.
Adam Hamdi
What is it?
David Temple
Sorry.
David Temple
I don't know why I use the word resort.
David Temple
It's.
David Temple
It's condos, but if I spun the camera around and showed it to you would go, looks like they're Ritz Carlton resort.
David Temple
Because it's.
Adam Hamdi
There's.
David Temple
There's pools everywhere and lounge chairs and.
Adam Hamdi
Right.
David Temple
Gyms and shopping and.
David Temple
Yeah.
David Temple
So it's really not.
David Temple
We don't have to drive anywhere.
David Temple
We just, like, walk everywhere.
Adam Hamdi
That's cool.
David Temple
So.
David Temple
Yeah.
David Temple
Sorry.
David Temple
That was a little bit bougie of me, wasn't it?
David Temple
I apologize for my bougieness.
Adam Hamdi
No, don't.
Adam Hamdi
Don't.
Adam Hamdi
Never be ashamed of your bougieness.
David Temple
Don't bang the bougie.
David Temple
So, no, we're not going anywhere.
David Temple
There are things that I want to do more of that will probably.
David Temple
I wanna.
David Temple
I've got a.
David Temple
I've got a nonfiction book I'm working on about my journey.
David Temple
Prostate cancer, which is.
David Temple
Yeah.
David Temple
Which has been quite the journey.
David Temple
And I haven't an editor.
David Temple
I have a really great editor, and he.
David Temple
He loves the idea, and we're.
David Temple
We're banging on it.
David Temple
I'm hoping that'll come out early next year.
David Temple
And then I've been working on a thriller for probably.
David Temple
No, almost a year.
David Temple
Pick it up and put it down.
David Temple
Pick it up and put it down.
David Temple
And the reason I pick it and put it down is because I spend so much time on this podcast.
David Temple
And I was.
David Temple
I was working on notes right before I got on with you.
David Temple
And, dude, I'm going to promise you this.
David Temple
There are a few authors.
David Temple
Deadbeat did this for me.
David Temple
There's a few authors that I come across that challenge my thinking.
David Temple
It just challenges me to think, to, like, look at this pen in a slightly different way than I would have ordinarily, and that makes me a better writer.
David Temple
One of the added Benefits of this show is that I've been able to hang out with guys like you.
David Temple
I get to tap into that gold mine of knowledge and expertise.
David Temple
But yeah, I'm gonna.
David Temple
I'm gonna write more.
David Temple
And it, and it just takes.
David Temple
This show takes a lot of time.
David Temple
I need.
David Temple
Yeah, I need to spend time on me.
Adam Hamdi
Yeah, you do.
Adam Hamdi
You should.
Adam Hamdi
And I think.
Adam Hamdi
I think you can tell when someone's thoughtful and got a point of view.
Adam Hamdi
That will be interesting.
Adam Hamdi
And I think from our conversations that we've had, you should definitely pursue it.
David Temple
Thank you.
Adam Hamdi
And I think also as a writer and as a human being, it's interesting that you talk about the.
Adam Hamdi
Looking at the pen slightly differently.
Adam Hamdi
I think as many perspectives as you can get, not to try and mimic or riff off of other people, but just being able to see the world from different points of view enhances your own point of view, develops it.
Adam Hamdi
And I think that's true whether you're creative or whether you're a human being.
Adam Hamdi
Because another thing that I'd say that the world is seeing diminish is empathy, having that ability to stand in someone else's shoes.
Adam Hamdi
And I think that's invaluable as a.
Adam Hamdi
As an author.
Adam Hamdi
Whether you're going to use that empathy to challenge people with somebody who has no redeeming qualities or whether you're going to write somebody that people will actually like.
Adam Hamdi
You know, having that ability to inhabit other people's perspectives is so, so important.
David Temple
God, I love that.
David Temple
I'm just chewing on that as you speak it.
David Temple
And I'm serious.
David Temple
I've been foolish, acting foolish a lot.
David Temple
But that really hits home with me because I was on the walk, I was walking sunny today.
David Temple
And we usually get up around 4:30.
David Temple
We're walking about 5:30, 6:00.
David Temple
And we're walking along the beach and birds and the guys are surfing and train goes by and.
David Temple
And I'm just looking at all this magnificent beauty.
David Temple
And I realize that I've so often got my head down in the game so much that I rarely pick my head up to see what's around me.
David Temple
And.
David Temple
And I said to Tammy the other day, well, she said it to me first, she goes, why do you work so hard?
David Temple
You're retired, but you work harder than you ever have before.
David Temple
And I'm like, yeah, I don't know, man.
David Temple
I guess I've done that since I was 16.
David Temple
But my point to you is I was looking at life.
David Temple
And I've been thinking about this in this book because as I present the book, I kind of want to do this.
David Temple
And I'm talking to you like you and I would just be talking like nobody's listening.
David Temple
You can face something like cancer one or two ways.
David Temple
You can go, oh, my God, it's going to kill me.
David Temple
And you can.
David Temple
You can get really freaked out and that's going to feed all that stuff in your body.
David Temple
Or you can go, okay, well, wait a minute.
David Temple
Not the end of the world.
David Temple
Let's figure it out.
David Temple
Which I did.
David Temple
However, when it comes back, there's a little bit of a bitch slap that comes with that that says, now do I have your attention?
David Temple
And that led me to the title of the book, which I'll share at another time.
David Temple
And the message being, in a roundabout fashion, life's short.
David Temple
What you gonna do?
David Temple
You know, the title's much better than that, by the way, but I'm doing that to teach you.
Adam Hamdi
I look forward to hearing the title.
Adam Hamdi
And maybe we'll do a special episode and I'll talk to you about your book.
David Temple
You know what?
David Temple
I would.
David Temple
I would do that in a heartbeat.
David Temple
I would.
Adam Hamdi
Yeah, I would do that as well.
David Temple
Oh, my God.
Adam Hamdi
I would do that.
Adam Hamdi
Yeah.
David Temple
Thank you.
Adam Hamdi
Let's do that.
David Temple
Thank you.
Adam Hamdi
I would enjoy turning the tables.
David Temple
It hasn't been done, but maybe once.
David Temple
So that would be awesome.
Adam Hamdi
I'm serious.
Adam Hamdi
I would enjoy talking to you about that because it sounds like it'd be a fascinating book and it sounds like you've been on quite the journey.
Adam Hamdi
And I think you're absolutely right.
Adam Hamdi
We're all headed for the same destination.
Adam Hamdi
And whatever you're doing in life is a distraction from what you could should be doing.
Adam Hamdi
Very few people are actually so much.
Adam Hamdi
Now, if.
Adam Hamdi
What's really interesting, my son is quite.
Adam Hamdi
My youngest son is quite a proficient soccer player.
Adam Hamdi
Footballer for the rest of the world.
Adam Hamdi
Yeah.
Adam Hamdi
So he's quite proficient.
Adam Hamdi
Quite a proficient soccer player.
Adam Hamdi
And it's interesting talking to the coaches at the big clubs because they all say the same thing.
Adam Hamdi
Kids now are head down in the phone.
Adam Hamdi
90% of the time.
Adam Hamdi
They've lost social skills.
Adam Hamdi
They're missing the world around them.
Adam Hamdi
And they said that actually a lot of kids drop out between the ages of 13 and 16 because they get into.
Adam Hamdi
And these are people who are an elite level.
Adam Hamdi
They get into video games, they get into social media.
Adam Hamdi
They get, you know, they're kind of into that.
Adam Hamdi
Their.
Adam Hamdi
Their online lives, partly.
Adam Hamdi
Also friends and other interests, girls and boys and whatever else.
Adam Hamdi
But.
Adam Hamdi
But a lot of the basic social skills, a lot.
Adam Hamdi
The basic appreciation for the real world is just being lost.
Adam Hamdi
And.
Adam Hamdi
And it's.
Adam Hamdi
It's come up in conversation after conversation with different clubs, different coaches.
Adam Hamdi
It's a real issue.
Adam Hamdi
So.
Adam Hamdi
And comes back to having life turned up to 11.
Adam Hamdi
It's not just for us.
Adam Hamdi
It's for our children as well.
Adam Hamdi
Life is turned up to 11, and we don't spend enough time thinking about what really matters.
Adam Hamdi
And something like your experience concentrates the mind, focuses you on what's.
Adam Hamdi
What's important.
Adam Hamdi
And yeah, we're all headed to the same destination, but the journey, how you get there, how you choose to experience life, that's.
Adam Hamdi
That's the difference.
Adam Hamdi
That's what we each have control over.
David Temple
You know, I'm going to go ahead and tell you what the title of it is, because, yeah, you'll.
David Temple
You'll like this because here's what.
David Temple
Tammy's my wife.
David Temple
Boss came over right after I'd gotten the diagnosis, and I'm sorry, I'm making this too much about me.
David Temple
It's really about your.
David Temple
And he's standing there talking to me, and I had just gotten the, you know, the word diagnosis, so forth.
David Temple
And he said, you know, how's it making you feel?
David Temple
I said, well, Michael, Michael, I'll be honest with you.
David Temple
When you get news like that with the word that starts with the C, it makes you instantly put life in two columns.
David Temple
He said, yeah.
David Temple
I said, yeah, the shit that matters and everything else.
David Temple
And he goes, wow.
David Temple
And I'm like, that's the title.
David Temple
Life in two columns, semicolon, the that matters and everything else.
Adam Hamdi
Everything else.
David Temple
Because.
David Temple
Because, buddy, that really.
David Temple
I.
David Temple
I instantly said that.
David Temple
And then it rang true for me for so long that I went, well, I.
David Temple
It can't get any better than that, so I'm just going to leave it alone because that's what it really puts it down to.
David Temple
You realize, well, it's only two things.
David Temple
The shit that matters.
David Temple
And if it doesn't matter, it's.
David Temple
It's the everything else.
David Temple
And so all I'm focusing right now, this.
David Temple
It matters.
David Temple
And excuse my language, for those who are offended, you can call it stuff if you want, but it won't be as cool and the poo.
Adam Hamdi
Well, this is.
Adam Hamdi
This is the Thriller Zone.
Adam Hamdi
I'm your host, Adam Howdy, and we're talking to author David Temple about his book, the that Matters and Everything Else.
David Temple
Yeah, Life in two columns.
David Temple
Well, yep.
David Temple
Anyway, thank you for asking.
David Temple
There you have it.
David Temple
It's for.
David Temple
I think it's the first time I mentioned on the show so way to wrap up.
Adam Hamdi
That sounds really fascinating.
Adam Hamdi
So when are you hoping to have that finished?
David Temple
My goal is I would really.
David Temple
In a perfect world, my editor thinks we can get it dialed in by late, you know, first of the year, and then we're going agent hunting.
David Temple
We're going agent hunting to see who wants to represent it.
David Temple
Because I've got.
David Temple
It's actually, I got two ideas.
David Temple
I'm not going to mention the other one right now, but it's another one I've been working on for years, and I've run across to some people, and they go, oh, God, dude, please for the love of God, write that one.
David Temple
And I use the phrase love of God for a reason, and I'll tell you about it off mic.
David Temple
But with those two books, I think I can be off to the races in the nonfiction world, which, quite frankly, I'm.
David Temple
You know, I've been three years on the show, as in fiction, which I love.
David Temple
Thrillers are my favorite books to read.
David Temple
But there's so many things I want to talk about.
David Temple
I would love to drill down on your documentary.
David Temple
And we.
David Temple
We still got plenty of time.
David Temple
As long as you got time, because I know I'm.
David Temple
Oh, yeah, you're 12 hours ahead of me.
David Temple
But, you know, spirituality, health and fitness, longevity, science, not as so much about politics.
David Temple
But if you want to stir the pot.
David Temple
Sure, I'll stir.
David Temple
Bring your own spoon and things like that.
David Temple
That's what really gets my juices going.
David Temple
And I think I've spent enough time doing this that mission accomplished.
David Temple
But let's.
David Temple
Let's let the seams out a little bit.
David Temple
I'm going to show you, but I will black this out when I go to show it.
David Temple
I'm going to show you some artwork because it's you and me talking.
Adam Hamdi
Okay.
David Temple
I'm going to show you the artwork for the.
David Temple
The other show I'm talking about.
Adam Hamdi
Okay.
Adam Hamdi
Oh, cool.
David Temple
And.
David Temple
But this is all about bigger, broader, deeper, wider fiction, non fiction.
David Temple
Yeah, yeah.
David Temple
You know, but not lots of non fiction, too.
David Temple
So that's where that's.
David Temple
That's part of where I'm.
Adam Hamdi
So when you say.
Adam Hamdi
When you say you've been working too hard, are you working more?
David Temple
Yeah, yeah.
David Temple
It's not.
David Temple
It's freaking insane.
David Temple
Yeah.
David Temple
So I'm sitting here telling you that, you know, I'm gonna probably let this line out a little bit.
David Temple
Oh.
David Temple
But I'm gonna go do this.
David Temple
I know.
David Temple
I know my wife.
Adam Hamdi
And it's gonna be bigger.
David Temple
It's not gonna be bigger.
David Temple
It's gonna be.
David Temple
Let's put it this way, it's gonna be wider and deeper.
David Temple
It won't be bigger.
David Temple
Yeah.
David Temple
So in other words, instead of like four to six episodes a month, it might be one, but it's gonna be banging.
Adam Hamdi
Cool.
Adam Hamdi
Ah, I like the look of that.
David Temple
Nice.
David Temple
No?
Adam Hamdi
You got plans?
David Temple
I got plans, baby.
Adam Hamdi
I feel positively.
Adam Hamdi
I don't know language by comparison.
David Temple
Yeah, well, don't.
David Temple
I gotta figure out how much of this stuff I'm gonna cut out.
David Temple
But I.
David Temple
I don't know.
David Temple
Who knows?
David Temple
Maybe I'll just leave it all in, because who knows how.
David Temple
Anyway, back to Deadbeat.
David Temple
Okay, I said everything up.
David Temple
I've said about everything about Deadbeat that I possibly can.
David Temple
I've.
David Temple
I started out with a rave blurb, which you didn't ask for, but I gave it to you.
David Temple
I would like to see it on your website.
Adam Hamdi
We can arrange that.
Adam Hamdi
Why wouldn't I use it?
Adam Hamdi
You sound authoritative.
Adam Hamdi
You know David Temple.
Adam Hamdi
Yeah, I trust that.
David Temple
Thank you.
David Temple
I'm kind of surprised people haven't reached out to me blurbs before, but it's probably good because there's some real shite out there that I'd love to tell about.
David Temple
Oh, God.
David Temple
Okay.
Adam Hamdi
I was.
Adam Hamdi
I was gonna show you.
David Temple
Yeah, show me a.
Adam Hamdi
Can you see this?
Adam Hamdi
That's.
Adam Hamdi
This is Mauritius.
Adam Hamdi
So this is a still from a documentary I've just made.
Adam Hamdi
That's the mangroves to the north of the island.
Adam Hamdi
That's a bay not too far from where we live.
David Temple
Oh, my God.
David Temple
Look at the color of that.
David Temple
Oh, my God.
Adam Hamdi
Yeah.
David Temple
So is that you on the helicopter?
David Temple
On the parachute?
Adam Hamdi
Oh, I wish.
Adam Hamdi
No, no.
Adam Hamdi
So, yeah, so this was.
Adam Hamdi
Let me just stop sharing it.
Adam Hamdi
There's a weird mirror effect.
David Temple
That's the reason.
Adam Hamdi
That's the reason it is.
Adam Hamdi
It's quite a special place.
David Temple
I read somewhere you could live there on.
David Temple
Did I read this right?
David Temple
You could live there on, like, three grand a year.
Adam Hamdi
Oh, easily, easily.
Adam Hamdi
The median income here is about $8,000 a year.
David Temple
Get out of town.
David Temple
Is that American?
David Temple
Yeah, dude, that's my bar tab for a year.
David Temple
A, what made you decide to do A documentary?
David Temple
B, why this topic?
David Temple
C, is documentaries perhaps more of something that I'm going to see more of in the Atom future.
Adam Hamdi
In Mauritius, there's a small community of filmmakers, and I've got to know some of them.
Adam Hamdi
And one of them is a German producer who settled here about 15 years ago, and he's made more than a thousand commercials, more than.
Adam Hamdi
I don't know, loads of movies, TV and He made his commercials in New York, so they were huge, big blue chip commercials.
Adam Hamdi
And he said, oh, I want to make a documentary here.
Adam Hamdi
We should try working together.
Adam Hamdi
And I said, yeah, that sounds good.
Adam Hamdi
And I haven't produced anything for almost 10 years.
Adam Hamdi
So I used to make music videos, short films, feature, one feature film.
Adam Hamdi
And then my book writing career sort of took off and I haven't produced anything for a while.
Adam Hamdi
And I thought, I thought, oh, well, why don't I give it a try?
Adam Hamdi
It sounds like fun.
Adam Hamdi
And he said, you know, what can we do?
Adam Hamdi
I want to show something, you know, show something really unique about the island.
Adam Hamdi
And I said, well, let's do something about young people.
Adam Hamdi
Because the challenges faced by young people on this island, there's 1.2 million people who live here, are really.
Adam Hamdi
It's like a distillation of the challenges being faced by young people all over the world.
Adam Hamdi
How do we get, how do we afford education?
Adam Hamdi
How do we get education?
Adam Hamdi
How do we create opportunities for ourselves?
Adam Hamdi
And so we picked six young people to follow.
Adam Hamdi
There's a young footballer who plays for the Liverpool academy here, 18 years old, really lovely guy.
Adam Hamdi
And we've got a jockey who rides horses, obviously, and a young marine biologist, fisherman.
Adam Hamdi
Who else have we got?
Adam Hamdi
We've got a woman who's escaped, a young woman who's escaped domestic violence with her child and is living in a shelter in a safe haven.
Adam Hamdi
So we picked a really diverse group of people and got them to tell their stories and then documented some of their lives.
Adam Hamdi
And it was absolutely just.
Adam Hamdi
I've used it a lot tonight.
Adam Hamdi
Fascinating.
Adam Hamdi
It was absolutely fascinating to see.
Adam Hamdi
So for example, I'll tell you about the footballer.
Adam Hamdi
When the coach at the Liverpool Academy said, oh, you know, I think if you've got, if you want someone to follow, you should talk to this young boy called Nathaniel.
Adam Hamdi
He's an amazing footballer and he comes from this incredible background.
Adam Hamdi
We went to visit his family, myself and the director.
Adam Hamdi
And it was.
Adam Hamdi
And this is no way to, to cheapen the difficulties that they face.
Adam Hamdi
It was like going into a Hollywood movie set fully dressed.
Adam Hamdi
We drove up down these tiny little streets covered in street art, beautiful street art, but surrounded by drug dealers, heroin addicts, music blaring, people shuffling high off their faces.
Adam Hamdi
A guy barbecue chicken wings and selling them for next to nothing to people in the local community.
Adam Hamdi
It was like, it was wild.
Adam Hamdi
And we go to this house and the dad is praising the football program his son's been in for five years and it's paid for and run by the government, because he said it's one of the key ways that he's been able to avoid his son falling into drugs.
Adam Hamdi
He's Nathaniel's friends.
Adam Hamdi
A lot of them are either using or dealing drugs, and it's right on their doorstep.
Adam Hamdi
And he said, you know, we're.
Adam Hamdi
This.
Adam Hamdi
This is.
Adam Hamdi
There's a lot of good, honest people in this community, but how do we get out?
Adam Hamdi
We can't afford to leave.
Adam Hamdi
He's a metal worker by day and.
Adam Hamdi
And plays double bass in a jazz band by night.
Adam Hamdi
Again, you couldn't script it.
David Temple
No.
Adam Hamdi
So privately off camera, he gave a rendition on his double bass.
Adam Hamdi
You know, it's just been a fascinating experience producing this.
Adam Hamdi
This documentary, getting to know more about the island and.
Adam Hamdi
But I'm a great believer that everyone has a story, and some of the stories we've uncovered in this film are just incredible.
Adam Hamdi
So it's interesting to hear you talking about nonfiction and wanting to go down that road.
Adam Hamdi
It's.
Adam Hamdi
Yeah.
Adam Hamdi
People are a source of inspiration and wonder.
David Temple
That's such a great way to describe it, because that's what pulls me in are people's real stories.
David Temple
I mean, listen, I don't want to belittle or sound like I'm demeaning any of the writers that I've interviewed.
David Temple
Certainly not.
David Temple
I mean, I've been able to talk to some of the best writers in the world.
David Temple
Your front row seat, by the way.
David Temple
And.
David Temple
But let's just be honest, there's a lot of similarity in a lot of the stories.
David Temple
I mean, it.
Adam Hamdi
You.
David Temple
There's.
David Temple
What.
David Temple
What did Joseph Campbell.
David Temple
What was that whole equation of there's only so many stories, and we're just telling the same story, but rearranging the names and the words, and that's all well and good, and I'm all for it, and I know it's entertainment, blah, blah, blah, blah, but at the end of the day, if I've got my two columns, there's the.
David Temple
That matters and everything else.
David Temple
And this.
David Temple
This column is getting smaller and smaller every single day, I promise you, while this one is growing.
David Temple
And that's where I choose to spend the time.
David Temple
So, to your point, I'm fascinated by people's stories and what makes them tick, why they see life the way they do, what is that engine inside that fuels them to move forward and to win and to succeed and so forth.
David Temple
So is there a time we'll be able to, first of all, comment on that if you'd like to.
David Temple
I interrupted you.
David Temple
Go ahead.
Adam Hamdi
Well, no, I was just going to say, I think, I think one of the things that should be taught in school is we should do more about human psychology, mental health, but also just general psychology.
Adam Hamdi
Because I think there are some sort of structural psychological archetypes that you can learn.
Adam Hamdi
Very basic Jungian or Freudian archetypes, familial archetypes that you can learn that help you perceive people, perceive the world.
Adam Hamdi
They're never, I would never say, well, these are who you are, these, they're not rigid structures, but they're just useful mechanisms so that you can, you can understand people a little bit better, understand their motivations.
Adam Hamdi
I think if people had a better psychoanalytical background, but a bit more of an education, we probably wouldn't make the same mistakes over and over again with who we choose to be our leaders, whether it's in politics or business.
Adam Hamdi
Because we keep picking people who have not necessarily the right characteristics.
Adam Hamdi
And this isn't a party political thing.
Adam Hamdi
So don't get me wrong, it doesn't matter which party you belong to, quite often you'll pick people who don't necessarily have the right characteristics in terms of being in it for others versus being in it for themselves.
Adam Hamdi
And that's true in business as well and most fields where there's positions of power and authority.
Adam Hamdi
And I think if we had a better understanding of how people tick, we'd also deal with our relationships, both interpersonal and professional, better if we understood other perspectives, other people's inner mechanisms better.
Adam Hamdi
So it's a really interesting point that you raised there.
Adam Hamdi
I think we should formalize that in some sort of education.
Adam Hamdi
We don't, we just don't teach it in schools.
David Temple
You just created a spark from decades ago.
David Temple
My father who passed, I was only 28, he was 56 when he died, massive heart attack.
David Temple
And he was my hero.
David Temple
And it, it, it messed me up for so long, so bad.
David Temple
And so whenever people go, oh, you're such a nice person, I'm like anything you see.
David Temple
Nice is because of my dad.
David Temple
Here's my point about my dad.
David Temple
My dad had the most beautiful ability.
David Temple
He was a chaplain at a hospital.
David Temple
That was his day job and his weekend job was preaching in a church.
David Temple
And he was a good preacher.
David Temple
He wasn't a televangelist.
David Temple
Let's just get that straight away now, because I can tell you stories that'll bend your nose.
David Temple
On the other spectrum, which is book number two, and here's the point, he could be talking to a little 8 year old kid coming right out of school, talk to him right on his level.
David Temple
Turn and talk to a 13 year old girl, teenager, new parent, older person facing death.
David Temple
And he met them right where they were and he understood them right where they were.
David Temple
And his biggest gift in life was probably, I don't know if it was listening or compassion or grace, kindness, all of that.
David Temple
So all those good qualities filtered into me somehow.
David Temple
But the reason I bring that up is that I think about him so every day.
David Temple
And he's been gone for decades and decades.
David Temple
But to your point, we need more of that.
David Temple
We need, we need more of people just going, how about I put my phone down?
David Temple
Matter of fact, I'll turn it off and put it down and let's just you and me talk for a while.
David Temple
Wait, what?
David Temple
You're gonna turn off your phone for me?
David Temple
You really do like me, don't you?
David Temple
But we, we have, we have lost.
David Temple
I, I say this to my wife all the time.
David Temple
We have lost our collective.
David Temple
I'm just going to say it.
David Temple
We really have, we have lost our, our.
David Temple
We have lost the focus.
David Temple
You can't walk through an airport now and not see 92.5% of people doing this, looking up my phone, you know, or, or wherever it is, football stadiums, they're videotaping the game that they're watching so they can watch it later, to which they'll probably never watch it again anyway.
David Temple
Point being, we need more time to just be present.
Adam Hamdi
Well, that's very true.
Adam Hamdi
I have a few little quick thoughts on that.
Adam Hamdi
And it's something that I touch on in Deadbeat.
Adam Hamdi
We are all chasing a life that's been sold to us.
Adam Hamdi
We are all chasing the billboard life, right?
Adam Hamdi
We're all chasing the billboards.
David Temple
Such a good line.
David Temple
Such a good line.
Adam Hamdi
We're all chasing the life on the billboard.
Adam Hamdi
The, the tanned models drinking coke or, you know, whatever the product is, they're, they're selling us a life and we're all chasing it.
Adam Hamdi
And actually all of the stuff on the phones is all chasing that life.
Adam Hamdi
Now you might think, oh no, I'm actually just watching cooking videos, I'm watching funny pets and all that sort of stuff.
Adam Hamdi
What you're actually doing is watching content that's monetized by advertisers who are trying to sell you stuff.
Adam Hamdi
Whatever you're doing, someone's trying to sell you something.
Adam Hamdi
So if you're on social media, someone is trying to sell you something.
Adam Hamdi
There is a product that is paying for that service.
Adam Hamdi
There is a product that's paying for that content, and the content is being provided to you for free by other people like you, who are also consumers and producers of content.
Adam Hamdi
So we're all just being farmed and we're all being trained to be farmed for product.
Adam Hamdi
And what's happened is instead of realizing or remembering that money is a.
Adam Hamdi
Is a tool, it's a mechanism of exchange, it's now an end in itself.
Adam Hamdi
So everything.
Adam Hamdi
I was talking to a friend, a writer that I'm mentoring, actually, who's written his first novel.
Adam Hamdi
It's a fantasy book.
Adam Hamdi
It's really, really good.
Adam Hamdi
And he by trade is a.
Adam Hamdi
Is a German teacher.
Adam Hamdi
And he said, there are now so few German teachers in the uk, it's going to die out as a language in Britain because it's just not being taught.
Adam Hamdi
The schools don't look at it.
Adam Hamdi
They say it's not economically viable anymore to have German taught in most schools.
Adam Hamdi
There's just no demand for it.
Adam Hamdi
And so we, instead of.
Adam Hamdi
And what he was saying was it, you know, we used to look at languages as a way to build an understanding across cultures, to develop relationships with other countries.
Adam Hamdi
And now it all comes down to the bottom line.
Adam Hamdi
Money has kind of seeped into every aspect of life so that we.
Adam Hamdi
It's the, it's the measure by which we judge everything.
Adam Hamdi
So now even human life.
Adam Hamdi
There was a debate in New Zealand after the pandemic because of the lockdown that they put in place, which was really strict and had a significant economic impact.
Adam Hamdi
And there was a debate about whether they'd use the wrong value of a human life to do their calculations.
Adam Hamdi
Everything is now quantified with a price.
Adam Hamdi
And it's actually cheapening society, it's cheapening our experiences of life.
Adam Hamdi
And we're just being turned into.
Adam Hamdi
We're being factory farmed, basically.
Adam Hamdi
That's what these things are.
Adam Hamdi
They're training us to be part of this advertising machine.
David Temple
Well, boy, I could go, God, I could talk a good solid hour on this one topic.
David Temple
But I'll tell you, I'll try to do it in two minutes or less.
David Temple
And there are two big social media channels.
David Temple
One is now down to a single letter and the other is.
David Temple
Gives you instant gratification.
David Temple
Is that nebulous enough for you?
David Temple
Both of which are time sucks to the 12th degree.
David Temple
And when the presidential thing started, I'm going to use presidential thing.
David Temple
I'm just going to use a nice generic phrase.
David Temple
I don't think I can offend anyone with that presidential thing thing.
David Temple
Yeah, when that thing kicked up, I went to my phone, I took the single Letter.
David Temple
And I went and I erased it.
David Temple
And I'm like, so at least every time I pick up that phone, I'm not reminded.
David Temple
Oh, let me see what's happening.
David Temple
Because nothing is happening of any value, really, when you think about it.
David Temple
Because if I'm not being sold something, I'm being berated for some particular reason.
David Temple
That has nothing to do with anything.
David Temple
So that particular business model.
David Temple
Yeah, I know it's in our life, but not for me.
David Temple
Thank you.
David Temple
Which you'll probably see disappear in the coming days.
David Temple
Him.
Adam Hamdi
But this is fascinating because I think we are more like high schoolers than we would like to admit.
Adam Hamdi
Adults are more like high schoolers.
Adam Hamdi
If there's something cool going on, you don't want to miss out.
Adam Hamdi
Oh, I'm the last of the party.
Adam Hamdi
I don't want to be that guy.
Adam Hamdi
I don't want to be the last person to be in on something.
Adam Hamdi
And so we hate this idea that, oh, there's something happening, and I'm not part of it.
Adam Hamdi
So it's really good to hear you say that.
Adam Hamdi
You just swiped it off your phone because that's, you know, that is definitely following the shit that matters and everything else.
Adam Hamdi
The two columns, that's definitely.
Adam Hamdi
You're living by your Maxim there.
David Temple
I have to live by that.
David Temple
And may I interrupt you.
David Temple
This one thought is.
David Temple
I realize there's a little bit of cutting off my wrist on this in one sense.
David Temple
In that, yeah, can I promote my next book?
David Temple
Yeah, I could, and that would really help.
David Temple
Or does it?
David Temple
Now it seems like I'm talking out of both sides of my mouth, because I'm talking to my good friend Adam, and we're sitting here doing a podcast, which, of course, I'm use.
David Temple
We're using to promote your book.
David Temple
So I have.
David Temple
People will buy your books that you'll make enough money to, you know, fulfill that beautiful life in Mauritius.
David Temple
And me, well, I don't make any money, so I'm doing it just because I.
David Temple
Because I love you.
David Temple
But my point is, so we're feeding a machine that really doesn't need to be fed because the people that are driving the machine are wealthy beyond measure.
David Temple
And I have had this discussion with so many people.
David Temple
Oh, my God.
David Temple
Over the last few months, one of them comes to mind.
David Temple
But I don't want to keep dropping his name in every single podcast, I think, because we talk all the time.
David Temple
But the point being, we have the same phrase, and I want to run it past you.
David Temple
Hey, did you hear about so and so?
David Temple
Oh, did you Hear about so and so.
David Temple
Did it sell me any books?
David Temple
And if it's not selling me any books, why am I here?
David Temple
That's.
David Temple
This is harsh reality talk I'm giving you right here.
David Temple
Probably like I've never really talked about before, but we've kind of.
David Temple
We've pulled the curtain back on this show and I'm like, do.
David Temple
Have I formed some great friendships on those particular mediums?
Adam Hamdi
Yeah.
David Temple
But I always do this.
David Temple
If those are real friends, how often do we speak on the phone?
David Temple
Like.
David Temple
Oh, like.
David Temple
Like in the old days.
David Temple
I remember when I was a kid, we'd talk on the phone.
David Temple
So is the friendship contrived or real?
Adam Hamdi
That's interesting.
David Temple
That's really interesting because I am this close, this close right here to saying bye bye to all of it.
David Temple
Can I.
David Temple
I don't know.
David Temple
There's a little bit of a junkie in me for some of that stuff, but by and large, my life's in two columns and you gonna be putting one column or the other.
David Temple
Mr.
David Temple
Ann being.
David Temple
Boy, this has been such a good conversation.
David Temple
I don't want it to end.
Adam Hamdi
It's cathartic.
David Temple
It is cathartic.
David Temple
And, you know, I'm going to put it to you this way.
David Temple
Here you go.
David Temple
Because I made the note here to myself.
David Temple
Hey, we come back from break.
David Temple
Don't forget that question.
David Temple
God bless America.
David Temple
Where's his mind gone?
David Temple
Out to lunch.
David Temple
You got three kids.
David Temple
You got three beautiful kids.
David Temple
18, 16, 13.
David Temple
Anything comes in between them and you, I don't care what it is, you're not going to have it.
David Temple
You're going to choose them over whatever that thing is.
Adam Hamdi
Yep.
David Temple
You'll pull a painting collard.
David Temple
Don't make me pull a Peyton Collard on you.
David Temple
You know, there's a.
David Temple
There's a piece of me that.
David Temple
Peyton Collard, what a great name.
David Temple
That is a name I will not forget for a very long time.
Adam Hamdi
Yep.
Adam Hamdi
And I'll be honest, he just.
Adam Hamdi
That came to me fully formed.
David Temple
You mean the character or the name?
Adam Hamdi
The name.
Adam Hamdi
Yeah, the name.
Adam Hamdi
I just knew that that's what he had to be called.
David Temple
All right, as we start to wrap, so I can be official, we can still weave off the road.
David Temple
I know it's.
David Temple
It's.
David Temple
It's way past your bedtime, but there's three more things I want to ask.
David Temple
Okay, yeah, go for it.
David Temple
I'd love to know.
David Temple
And I'm going to put you right there on the smack dab on the center of the bubble, the apex, if you will.
David Temple
Your personal Insights to the world of publishing.
David Temple
And I know this is a handful.
David Temple
You can call them predictions, you can call them how as it relates to the business, you know, we're in.
David Temple
Do you think publishing is good, better or worse than it used to be?
David Temple
Do you think it's.
David Temple
Are we seeing the end to some of it?
David Temple
Do you think it's going to, I mean, what's your inside?
Adam Hamdi
I think the world of publishing is going through, yeah, it's going through a lot of changes, but I think the world of entertainment as a whole is going through a lot of changes.
Adam Hamdi
And again, you know, without lambasting the phone too much, the way people are consuming things has completely changed.
Adam Hamdi
First of all, most people are expecting stuff for free, they want to be entertained for free.
Adam Hamdi
And a lot of it is short form entertainment because the dial is turned up to 11.
Adam Hamdi
We're all so busy.
Adam Hamdi
It's, you know, let's spend two minutes watching, watching the guy who shows the kitchen hacks and gives a thumbs up after 90 seconds whether it works or doesn't, you know, and it's all, it's so.
Adam Hamdi
I don't know if you've ever seen him is, he doesn't even speak, he just makes noises.
Adam Hamdi
Ah, you know, and so it's international, it's global, you don't have to do anything, you don't have to learn German.
Adam Hamdi
It's so I think all of that is a threat.
Adam Hamdi
If you look at what's happened with male readers in particular, men are very visual and being able to watch movies and TV on your phone wherever you are, on the train or a plane or wherever you are means people are less likely to pick up a book.
Adam Hamdi
So instead of when they went to the airport and maybe bought a book for a flight, they've got their phone with them and they can now watch whatever episodes of TV shows.
Adam Hamdi
So I think there's change in what entertainment people are consuming.
Adam Hamdi
When they used to read, there's change in people's attention spans in terms of whether they've just got the time and energy and attention to read.
Adam Hamdi
There's also the threat of AI obviously, which everybody's talking about.
Adam Hamdi
But on the plus side, the way in which people are consuming books has also changed.
Adam Hamdi
So you've got audiobooks much, much more popular than they used to be.
Adam Hamdi
And people are prepared to pay a bit of a premium because of the entertainment value and the experience experience that comes with audiobooks as long as authors and publishers are willing to innovate.
Adam Hamdi
And for authors that might mean experimenting with different distribution channels, self publishing, you know, working with digital platforms and for publishers not to just get stuck in the old model, which I think there's a danger that that is happening.
Adam Hamdi
I think as long as people are prepared to innovate, there'll always be a market for well told good stories.
Adam Hamdi
I don't think publishing as a whole is dying or under threat.
Adam Hamdi
I just think it's going to continue the evolution that we've seen, you know, particularly over the last 60 years.
Adam Hamdi
I'd say 50, 60 years.
Adam Hamdi
But the entertainment business as a whole is under multiple threats.
Adam Hamdi
And one of those threats is if I look at the way that my kids spend their time, when, when I was growing up, most of my time was spent movies, tv, a little bit of video games, a lot of playing outside.
Adam Hamdi
Oh yeah, A lot of being outside and now with our kids aren't too, too bad.
Adam Hamdi
But I know from when my youngest plays Fortnite and goes to sign in and he can see when his friends are online, one of his friends is online an average of nine hours a day playing Fortnite.
David Temple
Nine hours.
Adam Hamdi
Nine hours a day.
David Temple
There's so many things to unpack on that.
David Temple
And look, I'm not judging.
David Temple
I'm not, I'm not saying that's the worst thing in the world.
David Temple
I'm not saying, oh my God, this is the end of society.
David Temple
I'm not saying that stuff.
David Temple
I have similar thoughts about that.
David Temple
But, you know, there's a little piece of me that says whatever floats your boat.
David Temple
Because I was certainly told everything to do my whole life growing up in a, in a strict Christian home, but nine hours?
David Temple
Jesus, nobody.
David Temple
What can you even do for nine hours?
Adam Hamdi
You can play Fortnite, apparently.
Adam Hamdi
Yeah.
Adam Hamdi
So I think we're just in such a different world now from the one we grew up in.
Adam Hamdi
But it's not, it's not like it's bad because that's such a stereotypical thing to say.
Adam Hamdi
It's just different.
Adam Hamdi
So I think if you, if you innovate, if you build a relationship with readers, if you aren't afraid to experiment.
Adam Hamdi
And I was talking to a director and writer last week actually, and we were just talking about the fact that people are having to work harder.
Adam Hamdi
Even people who are at the A list, they're having to work harder for less than they did maybe 20 years ago.
Adam Hamdi
Yeah, it's just become a more competitive world and everybody, we're all being turned up to 11.
Adam Hamdi
In order to achieve a level of success, you have to work harder.
Adam Hamdi
You know, I'm Producing documentaries.
Adam Hamdi
I'm working on tv, film and books.
Adam Hamdi
So I'm doing a lot.
Adam Hamdi
Whereas in the old days, maybe with some, you know, good success, you'd write a book a year, right?
David Temple
Yeah, those days are gone.
Adam Hamdi
A career, you know.
David Temple
Yeah, yeah.
David Temple
It's funny.
David Temple
If I can use.
David Temple
If I can throw this at you.
David Temple
So my first career started at 16, went for 25, almost 26 years.
David Temple
Radio.
David Temple
I knew it as a kid, that's what I wanted to do because I wasn't really great at sports and I was goofy looking, but I could make people laugh and had a nice voice.
David Temple
So jump start.
David Temple
You jump over a few things that in between like acting for TV and film and voiceovers and audiobooks and so forth.
David Temple
And I came back to radio as podcasting.
David Temple
So podcasting picked up around, I don't know, early 2000, really kind of took off about the late aughts and then really kind of caught fire.
David Temple
Now there are people out there who think, oh, I can be Joe rogan and make 200 million, or I can be, let's call her daddy and make 65 million, et cetera, et cetera.
David Temple
Yeah, those are one in a.
David Temple
It's a lightning in a bottle.
David Temple
So everyone thought they could do something and be that guy.
David Temple
So, you know, Covid comes along, oh, we'll just pull out a microphone.
David Temple
Hey, bud, come on over the garage.
David Temple
Let's crack open a couple of cold ones and just talk.
David Temple
People love it, and they didn't.
David Temple
So now, full circle, this is another conversation that I have that's right smack dab in what we're talking about.
David Temple
So when I first started out, the show was like an hour and a half hour to hour and a half, which is about what we're clocking now.
David Temple
Then all of a sudden people like, oh, dude, yeah, can you trim it down, dude?
David Temple
Then it became like a 45 minutes.
David Temple
Then everybody's like, oh, you know, 40.
David Temple
Be kind of like the new 60.
David Temple
Really?
David Temple
So then it became, well, so a couple of my friends and I in the business said, you know, we really need to get down about 30.
David Temple
30 was about a year ago.
David Temple
Now people are going, can you, can you do your show in about 15, maybe 20?
David Temple
Yeah, yeah, okay, sure.
David Temple
I don't know how deep we'll get, but we can do it.
David Temple
And now I got people going, dude, do you have a way, Can I get like a five minute version of your show?
David Temple
Well, why?
David Temple
That's about all the time I got.
David Temple
And so there's a piece of me, Adam, that I Go.
David Temple
Oh yeah.
David Temple
So I started cutting promos of the show here.
David Temple
Here's what's coming up Monday on the Thriller Zone.
David Temple
Two minutes or less.
David Temple
The attention skyrocketed, integration skyrocketed.
David Temple
But it's just like you're just swiping, you're getting little sound bites.
David Temple
Okay, great.
David Temple
But does that equate, does that drive traffic to this show that folks, you're going to be clocking in around 65, maybe 75 minutes?
David Temple
Oh, I don't have that kind of time.
David Temple
That in of itself is a conversation.
David Temple
Is it worth the expenditure of time to create this?
David Temple
Is the audience there to support it?
David Temple
Can I make money doing it?
David Temple
Sure.
David Temple
Should you want to those things.
David Temple
But just lately in this, this conversation is so friggin timely and it's coming at such a good time of the year, end of the years, we brace for a new year because changes are in the wind, baby.
David Temple
Just in case you're wondering, and it may, it's making me go, how can I, how can I make this show that I love so much better, but maybe not quite the same.
Adam Hamdi
I'm going to fire back at you with two questions.
Adam Hamdi
The first question is people should be asking themselves, why don't they have the time?
Adam Hamdi
You know, growing up, my parents had their afternoon, well, their evenings, so late afternoon to evening, weekends, holidays, every year, that was their time.
Adam Hamdi
They did whatever they did.
Adam Hamdi
My dad used to play squash, my mom, you know, did various social things and parties at the weekend and stuff.
Adam Hamdi
And it's key.
Adam Hamdi
Yeah, like I said, tv, movies, playing outside a lot.
Adam Hamdi
There was a lot of free time.
Adam Hamdi
Where's that all gone?
Adam Hamdi
Where's it gone?
Adam Hamdi
So why don't people have an hour if they're interested?
Adam Hamdi
Not everyone's going to be interested in podcasts or whatever, but movies, tv, whatever it is that you're interested in, that's your passion.
Adam Hamdi
Why don't you have the time to engage in it properly anymore?
Adam Hamdi
Why do, why do you talk to a lot of people and they say, well, I don't really even have time to think.
David Temple
Is that a straight ahead question?
David Temple
Because I have some answers.
Adam Hamdi
I'll go for it.
David Temple
Go.
Adam Hamdi
I'd love to hear your answers.
David Temple
All right, well, first of all, it's what we choose.
David Temple
You know, we, we look at this.
David Temple
Well, I only have so much hours in a day.
David Temple
I only got so many hours in a day.
David Temple
John, come on.
David Temple
So if you have demands of children, that's a different thing.
David Temple
I get it.
David Temple
If you're having to work two jobs that's a different thing.
David Temple
I get it.
David Temple
If your commutes are extra long than your average bear, that's a different thing.
David Temple
I get it.
David Temple
But to your real specific point is that which we love, we tend to focus upon.
David Temple
So what that tells me is that's really not your passion, per se.
David Temple
Well, yeah, it is.
David Temple
Well, not really.
David Temple
You're not willing to give an hour and a half of your time.
David Temple
Wow, hour and a half.
David Temple
I mean, it's a long time.
David Temple
And look, I'm there with you.
David Temple
If I'm going to sit down, listen to an hour and a half podcast is going to be one of probably three ways.
David Temple
I'm going to be at the gym where I'm on the treadmill or something, or taking a long walk on the beach or a road trip with my wife.
David Temple
And we just want to put it in, just enjoy a good conversation.
David Temple
That's the thing.
David Temple
I.
David Temple
That is the single thing that I think we have really lost.
David Temple
How about just the art of conversation?
David Temple
This right here is this.
David Temple
This makes me so joyous.
David Temple
I can't.
David Temple
I'm going to sound like I'm clowning you, but I'm not.
David Temple
I mean, I love this.
David Temple
That's why I do this.
David Temple
Because we have lost that art of conversation.
David Temple
And it's funny, something popped into my head when you're talking, the guys that are promoting, hey, put your podcast over here.
David Temple
Like Spotify, for instance.
David Temple
Well, everyone thinks, wow, that's cool.
David Temple
I'll go to Spotify because it's free to host there.
David Temple
Yay.
David Temple
Well, you're.
David Temple
They're making money off your back, by the way.
David Temple
And a, A, they're making money off your back.
David Temple
B, you're probably not going to make any of that money.
David Temple
C, now they're promoting.
David Temple
Can you cut out the gaps?
David Temple
So that in the conversation, it's just.
David Temple
You just really crunch all the words together.
Adam Hamdi
Yep.
David Temple
So there is.
David Temple
So this thing where we go.
David Temple
You know, I've been thinking about that.
David Temple
Can you close that?
David Temple
Because it's just, it's wasted time.
David Temple
There's a pet peeve of mine.
Adam Hamdi
But my, my other question to you is if people are asking for a five minute show or a ten minute show.
David Temple
Yeah.
Adam Hamdi
Why not just give them that?
Adam Hamdi
Just turn it into a format.
David Temple
Well, I do.
David Temple
It's funny.
David Temple
I have so many of these pads in this house, it's embarrassing and it's ridiculous because I'll start scribbling notes and I'll lay it down and they look like all the others.
David Temple
So I can't find what I'm looking for goals for 2025.
David Temple
One of those includes a shorter podcast, but with deeper conversations.
David Temple
Cold.
David Temple
With a wider variety of people with things that don't bore the shit out of me.
Adam Hamdi
I like it.
Adam Hamdi
Nice, nice.
Adam Hamdi
So we're gonna see you back with a half hour show.
David Temple
Five minute show.
Adam Hamdi
Oh, five minutes.
Adam Hamdi
Cool.
David Temple
Yeah, it'll be like, they'll be.
David Temple
Hi, Adam, how are you?
David Temple
Good, David, how are you?
David Temple
What's new?
David Temple
I got a book.
David Temple
What's a book?
David Temple
Deadbeat.
David Temple
What's it about?
David Temple
Peyton Collard.
David Temple
Oh, who's he?
David Temple
He's a deadbeat, huh?
David Temple
Tell me about it.
David Temple
Blah, blah, blah.
David Temple
And then what?
David Temple
Blah, blah, blah.
David Temple
And what happens then?
David Temple
Blah, blah, blah.
David Temple
That's great.
David Temple
What's your website?
David Temple
Blah, blah, blah.
David Temple
Okay, thanks.
David Temple
Bye bye now.
Adam Hamdi
And now a word from our sponsors.
David Temple
Because daddy's got to keep himself in beer for the weekend.
David Temple
How you done that?
Adam Hamdi
You know what?
Adam Hamdi
You've just won the game of when everything's about money.
Adam Hamdi
That's exactly what the world sounds like.
Adam Hamdi
Just get through it.
David Temple
Get through it, you know, would be really interesting.
David Temple
I will not disrespect it, but this would be interesting.
David Temple
I'm going to leave as much of this show together as I possibly can because there is some good on the show.
David Temple
I might not cut out hardly anything.
David Temple
Even the secrets that I told you I was going to cut out.
David Temple
I might even leave them in there.
David Temple
I got nothing to lose.
David Temple
And there's something nice.
David Temple
When a man's got nothing to lose, he's got everything to gain.
Adam Hamdi
That's Peyton Collard.
David Temple
It's also David Temple.
Adam Hamdi
There you go.
David Temple
And Adam Hampden.
Adam Hamdi
Yeah.
David Temple
Did I answer that question?
David Temple
Because I was going to move on to number two of the three, of course.
David Temple
Oh, oh, so.
David Temple
So yeah.
David Temple
Can I just cut it down to it?
David Temple
Absolute minimum.
David Temple
Could I cut this into a five minute show?
David Temple
Yeah, I could do that.
David Temple
Now, here's the.
David Temple
Here's the thing that most people don't know.
David Temple
And you know this because you're a documentary filmmaker.
David Temple
And there is an equation.
David Temple
I'm gonna hatchet it.
David Temple
But there's.
David Temple
There's a rough equation that it takes roughly one hour of editing time to create one minute of content.
David Temple
That's about right.
David Temple
People go, that's bullshit.
David Temple
No, actually, if I sit down and edit you, if you and I are talking for.
David Temple
We'll go 60 minutes.
David Temple
It's going to take me, if this were a documentary, 60 hours at a minimum for that thing to be interesting.
David Temple
Now, if you just want a hatchet job down to five.
David Temple
I can probably do it in 120 minutes.
David Temple
But I think the real.
David Temple
I'm kind of coming at you with two fists here.
David Temple
Can I do a five minute show?
David Temple
Yeah, but, boy, if I do that, I have got to, in my personal opinion, and I can drill down on this.
David Temple
But you really don't want to ask me because ask my wife.
David Temple
I will not tell you the absolute truth until you ask me directly.
David Temple
And then I go, well, you asked me, so now I'm going to tell you.
David Temple
But nine times out of 10, you're never going to really know how I feel.
David Temple
Exactly.
David Temple
I'm talking to you as though this were my last show on the air because there are a lot of things I do not say, because what does it gain?
David Temple
It's just my opinion.
David Temple
But I'm going to offend a lot of people along the way or I'm going to piss you off, or I'm going to offend you or you're going to go, well, I'm going to go watch this podcast because it's not okay.
David Temple
One thing about these drugs that I took for doing this cancer is sometimes I'll be right in the middle of a sentence.
David Temple
I do not remember what I was going to say next.
David Temple
And I just hit that point.
Adam Hamdi
So you asked me, you had three questions.
David Temple
Yes.
Adam Hamdi
One of them was about publishing.
David Temple
Number two was what is your favorite?
David Temple
And thank you.
David Temple
You're so kind to me.
David Temple
Thank you.
David Temple
Your favorite and least favorite part of your career as it pertains to writing.
Adam Hamdi
My favorite part about writing is everything other than promoting.
Adam Hamdi
Now this I like.
Adam Hamdi
I like being with people who are asking questions and just chatting and everything, but I find it quite difficult normally to talk.
Adam Hamdi
One of the things I like about this is we've talked about a lot of other things other than the book, but when you talk to some podcasters, radio and everything, it's just focused on the book and you kind of.
Adam Hamdi
It's incumbent upon you to try and promote the book.
Adam Hamdi
And I just, I feel kind of awkward talking about my work and I don't know, I like everything.
Adam Hamdi
I love the idea generation.
Adam Hamdi
I love the process of writing.
Adam Hamdi
I even like editing.
Adam Hamdi
A lot of authors complain about editing.
Adam Hamdi
I love editing.
Adam Hamdi
So it's.
David Temple
I love editing.
Adam Hamdi
Yeah.
Adam Hamdi
So everything.
Adam Hamdi
The bit that I struggle with is promoting.
Adam Hamdi
I'm not.
Adam Hamdi
I'm not the best promoter in the world.
Adam Hamdi
Which, which I think you need to be now in publishing.
Adam Hamdi
So coming back to the publishing thing, if you're an author, you need to be better at promoting than you've ever been.
Adam Hamdi
So in 2025, I'm going to try and change my ways.
Adam Hamdi
You're going to change in 2025, I'm going to change as well.
Adam Hamdi
I got some things I'm going to try.
Adam Hamdi
We'll see.
David Temple
I think you should also be very cautious and focused on what shows you get on.
David Temple
I don't want to toot my own horn, but I think I'm probably one of the top shows, thriller, fiction, podcast shows out there.
David Temple
And I don't say that to toot my horn.
David Temple
I really, I really don't.
David Temple
I think what it is, is I have, and I do this out of homework, Adam.
David Temple
I will listen to my competitors.
David Temple
I will scroll through.
David Temple
I scroll through that radio dial and I just punch the buttons.
David Temple
There's an old reference and I listen to who my competition is because that's what we did in radio.
David Temple
So I want to know who my.
David Temple
Who my competition is.
David Temple
And then I'll go, what are they doing that I'm not doing?
David Temple
What are they doing better than what I'm doing?
David Temple
What are they doing that I should never even think about doing?
David Temple
Right?
David Temple
And so to that point, you need to be focused to find the best if you're going to spend the time.
David Temple
Life's two columns, baby.
David Temple
You know, it's got to be the one that matters.
Adam Hamdi
Yeah, yeah.
David Temple
So.
David Temple
So pick the ones that really do you justice because it goes back to that social media conversation we had.
David Temple
Does being on that single letter channel do anything for you?
David Temple
Not really.
David Temple
Not really.
David Temple
They're still making a lot of money on you and they have all this information about you.
David Temple
That's what blows my freaking mind.
David Temple
Tick tock.
David Temple
I don't want to get started about it, but if you go to your apps and you look at what information they have access to, you think, well, they're going to do it anyway.
David Temple
No, they won't.
David Temple
But if you, if you've ever wondered why you are talking to someone about this topic and all of a sudden you go to sign in and do a browse search and there's something about Mauritius flights to Mauritius.
David Temple
You're like, guys, coincidence, man.
David Temple
No, this.
David Temple
Heard that and shared it with that because they paid them to do that and they got a piece of you all the way down the pike.
Adam Hamdi
Yep.
David Temple
And my third and final, which is something I've asked you in.
David Temple
You know, I asked you when you came here in what was it?
David Temple
July of 21st.
David Temple
What's that best writing advice?
David Temple
Because that's what everybody sticks around for.
David Temple
At the end of the show.
David Temple
Well, except for maybe this one, because it's too long.
Adam Hamdi
So.
Adam Hamdi
Mr.
Adam Hamdi
Five minutes is going to be really disappointed.
Adam Hamdi
So I think when I.
Adam Hamdi
When I.
Adam Hamdi
When I came on before, I talked about, as an author, being taught to find your voice and then learning how to lose it and, and Peyton and actually, I think last time, when I.
Adam Hamdi
When I came on to talk about the Other side of the Night and I said, you need to lose your voice.
Adam Hamdi
I think Peyton was the book I was writing at the time.
Adam Hamdi
And I said, I'm working on something that's doing exactly this, trying to lose the voice.
Adam Hamdi
And, you know, it's.
Adam Hamdi
I hope he comes across as an authentic, you know, American.
Adam Hamdi
I was trying to lose my voice to find his.
Adam Hamdi
Actually, no.
Adam Hamdi
He is really locked in my basement.
Adam Hamdi
But no, no.
Adam Hamdi
So I talked about the fact that you find your voice as a writer, then you try and lose it.
Adam Hamdi
To instill the books with real characters.
Adam Hamdi
I think today's advice is all about the.
Adam Hamdi
Those perspectives.
Adam Hamdi
I've been studying a lot of psychoanalytical theory, archetypes, personality traits, familial archetypes, Jungian archetypes, to get a better understanding of how the things we experience in childhood can establish patterns.
Adam Hamdi
And these aren't set in stone.
Adam Hamdi
They're not.
Adam Hamdi
It's not a gospel.
Adam Hamdi
It's just a perspective.
Adam Hamdi
It's a framework for trying to understand people and trying to understand the world.
Adam Hamdi
But there are things that people will experience in childhood that will set patterns in them for later life, how they'll interact in certain situations or with certain people.
Adam Hamdi
And if you don't understand those patterns, you will keep repeating them.
Adam Hamdi
If you don't understand the causes, the root causes of those patterns, you'll keep repeating them.
Adam Hamdi
And I think really useful as a writer to delve into those, into that psychoanalytical theory to give more realism, to give more depth to your characters, because these are things that you will recognize in yourself and in people around you, in personalities that you'll have met.
Adam Hamdi
So, for example, Peyton is a scapegoat.
Adam Hamdi
And that's a familial.
Adam Hamdi
It's a familial archetype.
Adam Hamdi
And a scapegoat is someone that acts out the worst possible path in their life.
Adam Hamdi
And they're so used to being blamed by others that they start acting in ways to attract that blame.
Adam Hamdi
And so I think having an understanding of those, as an author, as a writer of any kind is really important.
David Temple
I'm a big fan of studying the archetypes because what you do is instead of going, john walked in the room and kicked Bob's ass.
David Temple
Well, if I knew why John walked in the room, why he was so angry.
David Temple
To kick Bob's ass.
David Temple
Well, he was drunk.
David Temple
Well, no, there's more about that.
David Temple
That's where I get interested, if you tell me.
David Temple
Well, he's got a short man's complex and he had a really big brother.
David Temple
Plus, his dad was always telling him he'd never amount to anything unless he stood up to guess.
David Temple
Well, now you've given me texture and relevance and backstory.
David Temple
So Bob may not have even done anything anyway.
David Temple
That's a little bit of a diatribe, but it's.
David Temple
It's interesting to me.
Adam Hamdi
Yeah, I think that's.
Adam Hamdi
It's one of the key things I think I'd recommend to all writers.
Adam Hamdi
Get into that sort of stuff.
David Temple
Deadbeat.
David Temple
Great cover, by the way.
David Temple
The first time I saw it.
David Temple
Oh, Car going alongside the road.
David Temple
Hollywood.
David Temple
Yeah, whatever.
David Temple
And you think nothing of it until you start reading the book and you go, all the little tiny pieces make sense and back to that blisteringly delicious blurb that I wrote for you.
David Temple
The reason I used.
David Temple
Shines a neon glow on a man.
David Temple
Sorted.
David Temple
Life is.
David Temple
I could have said it shines a light on a man's devastating life.
David Temple
No, it's a neon glow on a sordid life.
David Temple
Sordid?
David Temple
He's bereft of conscience.
Adam Hamdi
Who?
David Temple
Adam again?
David Temple
You.
David Temple
You never cease to amaze me.
David Temple
Your graciousness knows no bounds.
David Temple
The way you have listened to me ramble on for an hour.
David Temple
Plus, you've sat there and you've been a prince when I know you're tired and you're like, is this boy.
David Temple
I'm gonna shut up.
Adam Hamdi
I.
Adam Hamdi
I'm.
Adam Hamdi
I'm beyond tiredness, so please don't even worry about it.
Adam Hamdi
And I've been rambling too.
Adam Hamdi
And, you know, we've just had a good conversation, which, as you said, is a.
Adam Hamdi
Is a dying art.
Adam Hamdi
And Mr.
Adam Hamdi
Five Minutes can send us some angry, angry emails.
David Temple
Yeah, you can blow me.
David Temple
So here's another thing I want to.
David Temple
Here's another thing I want to ask.
David Temple
What is the name of this documentary that's in process?
Adam Hamdi
It's called Ocean Star.
Adam Hamdi
And we're just.
Adam Hamdi
I think the last stage of post production is happening sometime next week in London and.
Adam Hamdi
And then we're going to put it out in a.
Adam Hamdi
In some festivals and we're talking to a couple of distributors at the moment about getting it on TV around The world.
Adam Hamdi
So, yeah, hopefully people will be able to see it soon.
David Temple
Good.
David Temple
Make sure that we stay in touch about that because I want to see it also.
David Temple
Do you have any plans to make your way into the Los Angeles arena?
David Temple
Well, you're doing promotion.
Adam Hamdi
Not at the moment.
Adam Hamdi
Not this New York?
Adam Hamdi
No, no.
David Temple
London.
Adam Hamdi
London, possibly.
Adam Hamdi
Yeah.
David Temple
So I'm going to have to fly to London or Mas if I wanted to sit down and have a refreshing beverage with you.
Adam Hamdi
If you want to have a refreshing beverage, come to Mauritius.
Adam Hamdi
Yeah, I'll take you to some nice places.
David Temple
How long have a flight from San Diego?
Adam Hamdi
Oh, I do know someone who came from California and it took.
Adam Hamdi
They went via Dubai.
Adam Hamdi
It took them 25 hours.
Adam Hamdi
It's far.
Adam Hamdi
It's a long way.
Adam Hamdi
I know.
David Temple
I could, I could do 25 into five minutes.
David Temple
How many podcasts could I do?
David Temple
A five minute podcast.
Adam Hamdi
Five minute podcast.
Adam Hamdi
Wow.
Adam Hamdi
Do you know, actually that's an idea for a podcast.
Adam Hamdi
5 minute interviews with everyone on your flight.
David Temple
I could do that.
Adam Hamdi
Five minute interviews with everyone on your flight.
Adam Hamdi
You just go along the plane, you say, I'm doing a podcast and it's going to be.
Adam Hamdi
It's called Flight and it's interviews with everyone on this plane.
Adam Hamdi
Tell me about yourself.
David Temple
I have to go back and think about this again.
David Temple
So 25 hours means that I would.
David Temple
If I flew out, out of LAX tomorrow morning at 6am, I wouldn't get to you until 1am the next day, right?
Adam Hamdi
Yeah, I think it'd be more like you'd get 6pm you'd arrive at 6pm the next day.
David Temple
Okay.
Adam Hamdi
Like 6pm two days later because we're 12 hours ahead.
Adam Hamdi
You travel through time.
Adam Hamdi
We're back.
Adam Hamdi
We're back to the other side of night.
Adam Hamdi
You, you would go.
Adam Hamdi
This is, this is like it's all going on.
David Temple
Dude, I love you.
David Temple
I don't know that I've got it in me to do that.
David Temple
I mean, I'll tell you what though, is Italy on the way to you?
Adam Hamdi
Yes.
Adam Hamdi
You can get a direct flight from Rome and London's also on the way.
Adam Hamdi
You can get from London to here in 12 hours.
Adam Hamdi
So go to the UK, do a couple of weeks there, come over here for a couple of weeks.
Adam Hamdi
Go to like, well Tall.
Adam Hamdi
Just do it.
David Temple
Yeah.
David Temple
Well, Baby and I are planning a fall trip next year.
David Temple
Well, this has been dandy, a dandy of a time, folks.
David Temple
If you want to learn more, go to Adam hamd.com buy as I said earlier, buy two copies.
David Temple
One for yourself, one for a friend.
David Temple
It's entertaining as hell, I'll tell you that right now.
Adam Hamdi
It's gonna challenge you.
Adam Hamdi
David.
David Temple
Yes, dear.
Adam Hamdi
I'll be back on when we do your interview about your book, life in two columns.
David Temple
You got it.
David Temple
I would love.
David Temple
That would be so refreshing to have someone, especially somebody who's a great interview, be an interviewer.
Adam Hamdi
Yeah.
David Temple
And yeah, I've learned from the master.
Adam Hamdi
I've done.
Adam Hamdi
I've done three of these now.
Adam Hamdi
I've learned from the master.
Adam Hamdi
So I'm ready.
David Temple
I have one rule and one rule rule only.
David Temple
You know what it is?
David Temple
You wanna.
David Temple
It's two words.
David Temple
It's as easy as it gets.
David Temple
You wanna know what it is?
David Temple
Have fun.
Adam Hamdi
Oh, that's it.
Adam Hamdi
That's life.
David Temple
It's life.
David Temple
Exactly.
David Temple
All right, I'm gonna hit stop so that I make sure and do not leave until everything is uploaded.
David Temple
But okay, Adam, once again, man, it just.
David Temple
It doesn't get much better than this.
Adam Hamdi
Oh, thanks for having me on, David.
Adam Hamdi
It's been really.
Adam Hamdi
It's been a blast.
Adam Hamdi
It's been really good.
Adam Hamdi
And.
Adam Hamdi
And thank you for your blurb.
Adam Hamdi
I am going to use that.
Adam Hamdi
So don't worry, you'll see it, the bright lights on my website.
Adam Hamdi
Maybe even on a book.
Adam Hamdi
Yeah, maybe on the paperback.
Adam Hamdi
Let's get your blurb on the paperback.
Adam Hamdi
Cool.
David Temple
Oh, man, that was good, wasn't it?
David Temple
I know, I know.
David Temple
It was a little bit long.
David Temple
I got a few friends who were like, dave, that.
David Temple
That thing was long.
David Temple
Well, if you didn't like it, you can tune out at any time.
David Temple
But talking about real and honest and open and just sharing, like two pals sitting around having a cocktail at a neighborhood tavern, right?
David Temple
Just.
David Temple
Just sharing and talking.
David Temple
It's the art of conversation.
David Temple
I love that.
David Temple
Well, next week, as I mentioned at the beginning of the show, next week marks our third Dave and Tammy year end extravaganza.
David Temple
We do it every year.
David Temple
It's usually the week of Christmas.
David Temple
And we're going to talk about our favorite books of the year, our favorite movies of the year, our favorite TV series of the year, we're going to talk about.
David Temple
And we're going to sprinkle in some other things.
David Temple
We've got some inside scoop, aka big news coming for 2025.
David Temple
When you hear of our launching guest, you're gonna go, what?
David Temple
I'm so geeked out I can hardly stand it.
David Temple
And there's some new things coming down the pike in 2025.
David Temple
I think you're gonna like it.
David Temple
I hope so.
David Temple
You've been a great audience.
David Temple
And you've hung with me all this time.
David Temple
Three years.
David Temple
200.
David Temple
And it'll be 10 episodes by the time we wrap.
David Temple
20.
David Temple
24.
David Temple
Oh, baby, I'm just getting.
David Temple
I am going to get on out of here.
David Temple
You enjoy the rest of your week.
David Temple
I am your host, David Temple, and this is the number one thriller podcast in the world today, The Thriller Zone.
David Temple
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